Ancestry Adventures

British Library Visit #4

Hello there,

Finally writing about my latest Library adventure.

I went British Library again about 3 weeks ago, was a bit of a ‘last minute” thing. So I hadn’t really planned what I wanted to do or anything, but I still had some super awesome finds.

By the end of my 4 day visit I had found

– The deaths for Emidio & Jane Elizabeth (nee Terry) DeSouza

– More info on the occupation of Emidio DeSouza

– More info on Philip DeSouza

Here are links to their Ancestry Profiles Emidio DeSouza, Jane Elizabeth Terry and Philip Clement DeSouza

sydney terry's tree

Sydney’s side is a lot harder to find stuff on due the Portuguese Ancestry.

I just have to keep hunting !!

That’s all for now, so till next time, stay tuned for some more Ancestry Adventures!

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My 2019 Plans/To Do/Wish List

Hello there,

Ok, think I’m really to post this now!

Genealogy / Ancestry / Family History

– Continue my British Library Visits (need to plan out what I want to do)

– Order a bunch of GRO certs (before BMD prices go up 16 Feb 2019)

– Add the GRO certs I have to my tree/s

– Look into volunteering with FIBIS (British Library look ups etc)

– Maybe visit The National Archives (to at least get feel for layout etc)

– Participate more in Blog Prompts, Book of Me, Blog Party, SNGF & other fun posts whenever I can

Genealogy / Ancestry / Family History Education & Events

7-8 Jun The Genealogy Show (Have mostly booked everything for this)

24-26 Oct Rootstech, London (Have booked accommodation, just waiting for the workshops list)

Pharos Courses One-Place Studies and TNA Website & Catalogue

Surname Studies

– Try & plan out what I want to do

– Continue hunting for items & artifacts to add to my Study Name/s collection.

General

– Do an average of at least 3 posts a month

– Replace a couple of bookcases that no longer fit my needs

– Get a better filing cabinet (want draws that pull out more fully)

– Go though both my blogs (this one & my Political & Activism one) and pick-out the posts I want to print out (for a “me’ folder)

– Continue prepping & stocking up on “stuff” over the next 2-3 months (Brexit)
(Toiletries, Kitchen & Food Cupboard Stuff, Stationery etc). No one really knows WHAT is gonna happen. Its all very worrying really.

Maybe to do list (lol)

– Stop getting distracted quite so much on BSO’s

– Find & DNA test ever more family members, so connect with even more cousins & distant cousins.

I may add to this if I think of anything else.

That’s all for now, so till next time, stay tuned for some more Ancestry Adventures!

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BSO – Bright Shiny Object

GRO – General Register Office

FIBIS – Families in British India Society

SNGF – Saturday Night Genealogy Fun ( Randy Seaver from Genea-Musings)

My 2018 Plans Review

Hello there,

Do I dare see how I did in My Plans for 2018 ? …. (gulp)

I did rather well with the first heading  “My goals / plans”

While I didn’t really blog “fortnightly” or any “Blog Prompts” etc I still achieved 30+ posts.

I did get 2-3 Birth, Marriage & Death Certificates

Did have a family relative DNA test (mid to end of March) Resulting in SOLID proof regarding my Gran’s (Dorothe Verna Terry) Paternal Grandmother’s line. I’m VERY grateful to them in doing the test. While it was just 1 test, I have connected with more cousins & distant cousins.

Since I’m nearly ALWAYS getting ‘cool & interesting’ books (much to my mother’s dismay!) I can give myself a big tick for that one!

What was next of the list? … Oh yes,

[ – Make several trips/visits to the British Library – my India line. (Have not yet succeeded, so this now well ‘over due’. … Will I succeed in 2018?) ]

If you’ve been following my adventures, I think you’ll agree the last quarter of 2018 I was VERY SUCCESSFUL with that one *laughs*  Making three visits to the British Library,(and a whole lot more visits to come in 2019!).

[ – Make contact with the Milan Achieves – my Tognoli line. ] This was a big fail, but that is ok, since it’s NOT the Milan Achieves I need. Its the Pavia Achieves to contact.

See A Paternal “brickwall” (Tognoli) & Paternal Fam Tree Adventures I’ve not really done a lot on my paternal line, also I don’t really know direction to go etc.

Next heading was “Surname Studies goals / plans”  This was half &  half really, didn’t make any progress  data wise. Have added a few artifacts, bottles, books & various photos.

My last heading was Personal goals / plans”  If I’m brutally honest, I didn’t really do very well at all (hangs head in shame)

I did keep on top on my washing up for most of the first half of the year. Then by mid to late June to mid to late August I didn’t want to do ANYTHING but stay right next to my fan, it was so hot.

Even Northern Ireland was hot,(went there for my Birthday) I got sun burnt.

What adventures will I have in 2019

That’s all for now, so till next time, stay tuned for some more Ancestry Adventures!

 

Xmas 2018

Hello there,

Went to my Mum’s late evening on Xmas Eve

This is what greeted me when I went to my room, I thought it was cool.

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Following morning, I joined my sister in Mum’s room to open our stockings, here is what I got. (the red box is a few Indian sweets, the cup & saucer is a bird food thing)

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I went back to bed for a bit, then go up & went down for breakfast. After that we did presents. I give Mum a desert Island Discs book & a few other bits. I gave me Sister a radio 1 live lounge cd.

Here are my goodies

About 2-3 hours later we had food

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We watched TV a bit, then had Brandy Snaps, fruit & cream for pudding, back though to the living room watched a bit more TV. Then I asked to to head home

A few days later I decided to go into town, got dozen rolls of wrapping paper for about £6-7 (50p each, 2 were 75p), I got a load of gift bags (19) for about £10-£12 (most of them were 60p each down from £2.50-£3, the 4 smaller ones were 35p from £1.50)

You think I was gonna pass a huge bargain up? ….. hahahahaha

That’s all for now, so till next time, stay tuned for some more Ancestry Adventures!

British Library Visit #3

Hello there,

I got a final 2018 visit to the British Library in, once again it didn’t disappoint.

While it doesn’t feel like it, I got quite a lot done.

I looked though
– A dozen books from the Histories of Services collection (V.12)
(Looking for info on Sydney & a couple of his brothers (John & Harold). Found a few bits for Sydney and info on John). I just need to keep looking, there’s loads of books in this collection.

– A few Bombay Army Annual Returns for anything regard John Edward Terry Desousa (Didn’t find anything)

Voluntary Aid Detachment books, for anything relating my Gran (Dorothe Verna Terry) Didn’t find anything. (Need to check the dates I was looking at)

– Also tried ordering The Times of India Newspaper, but I’d somehow written the wrong shelf mark (SM) down. After looking up the right ‘SM’ I didn’t know what year/s I wanted to look at.

In between times (while waiting on ordered items) I looked though

– A few Thacker’s Indian Directory books.
Had some really AWESOME finds, which I want to redo. (Some info on Philip Clement de Sousa, John Edward Terry de Sousa, Robert Parrott)

Finding even just the tiny bit of info regard Philip Clement de Sousa & John Edward Terry de Sousa.  It’s hard to describe, were a few (loudish) yells of “YES” … FINALLY” & air punches.  Christmas came early for me.

– Nearly all the Indian Army list books, for everything on William Fitzallan Parrott (William was an assistant Medical Surgeon between 1895 – 1927)

– Had a brief flick though  some books called Asylum Press Almanac  (I didn’t really know what they were & didn’t think they would be relevant to my hunting, but after looking though my FIBIS (Families in British India Society) fact file booklet, I learnt this set of books would be useful to look though!)

As before the reference desk staff were “Super Awesome” helping me find what something meant in the ‘Indian Army list’ books. Suggesting things to check out. A couple of them (D & J) occasionally coming out & asking how I was doing etc

My hunting was a little harder, due to not having any of my folders to refer to when I needed, but I managed.

That’s all for now, so till next time, stay tuned for some more Ancestry Adventures!

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Here’s a pic of my Gran’s direct line tree, showing how people (mentioned in this blog) are related

Venra's direct line tree

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Colour key

Books on the open shelves within the Library

Books & ‘stuff’ you need to order up from the storage archive

British Library Visit #2

Hello there,

Well my 2nd British Library Visit in the bag.

I went up last week (11th – 17th Nov 2018), I was initially was only going til 15th Nov 2018, but I decided to extend my stay at the YHA an extra couple of nights.

My visit this time was loads better, I was MUCH more prepared. Did have a couple of ‘crappy’ unproductive days though. There’s always gonna be crappy, unproductive days in family history.

The Asian & African Studies staff, were again super awesome, helped me loads.

Had a few “Oh, you twit” moments, as well as some really cool finds.

One of my ‘twit’ moments was, I had been looking though the “UK appointments to Indian Railways 1849-1925 Index” I went to ask if they had any thing else regard Indian Railways, the woman at the desk picked up on of the booklets that were on the desk (a FIBIS fact file), I instantly (inwardly) groaned, cos I had my own copy with me.

FIBIS – Families in British India Society

Another was, one of the items I had ordered up from the archives was showing as “ready for collection” so I go to collect it, the guy tells me I had already looked at it and sent it back. I reply “No I don’t think so” ….. I go check my notes & discover ‘Oh yes, I had looked at it, I tell the guy “yea, you’re right”

Now some of my really cool finds

One of my cool finds was a marriage record for one of Sydney Terry’s nephews, ‘Vernon Jenet’ …….. witnessed by William Fitzallan Parrott (Sydney Terry’s father in law.)

Vernon Jenet & Olga Bird Marriage

[How people are related]

– Vernon Jenet, is Olive & Lionel Jenet’s son

– Lionel Jenet is Olive Terry’s 1st husband (Olive married twice)

– Olive Terry is one of Sydney Terry sisters

– Sydney Terry is my Gran’s Father.

– My Gran is Dorothe Verna Terry

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Finding a couple of ‘Terry’ relations (Harold & Edward Terry) in the Indian Army records of service c1900-1947 Index.

 

Ordering and getting photos of Harold & Edward’s Service Records. (Harold & Edward are 2 of Sydney’s brothers)

 

The smaller image is from Edward Vernon Terry’s Records & the other is from Harold Godfrey Terry’s Records.

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Some other pics I took were of info regard Sydney’s occupation

Sydney Terry

( From Histories of Services: Punjab 1938-1939 [V/12/344] )

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William Fitzallan Parrott

W F Parrott

I took a couple of other pics from the same book (Thacker’s Indian Directory 1897) but they didn’t turn out very well.

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In the last hour or so of my last day (of my 2nd visit block) one of the ref desk guys (I’ll call D) came out from their staff area & asked how I was doing. I told/showed him what I’d got managed to do that day. I asked if the ‘other guy’ (I’ll call J) was about, D said J was out at that moment but would let J know.

They both (D & J) came out a bit later & I updated J in the days finds & stuff. D & J went back into their staff area, I finished off what I was doing, then called a day at about 4.30 & went back to the hostel.

What will I manage to find next time! ….. who knows!.

Am already planning visit #3 lol

That’s all for now, so till next time, stay tuned for some more Ancestry Adventures!

British Library 1st Visit Overall

Hello there,

Looking back at over things,

It’s funny how things turn out. I was initially visiting the Library to look at George Merriman’s Manuscripts & pedigrees etc, with a bit of “British India” hunting added on. But it ended up being the other way round!.

So I wasn’t all that prepared regarding “British India heavy” hunting. I did the best I could with what stuff I DID have.

This was my first visit, was finding my way around etc, I learnt how use to a film machine.

The guys on the reference desk were awesome & really helpful. Though found it hard to take everything they were telling me. It was all a bit “info overload”, at times I felt like just I wanted to curl up & hide.

I know I may have to repeat much of the hunting I did in my initial British Library visiting, but hey that’s ok! I’ll know my way around & know what to expect, I’ll (hopefully) have a more solid plan

I came away with (lot) more that I had at the start of my visit.

That’s all for now, so till next time, stay tuned for some more Ancestry Adventures!

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NOTE – I may add more to this as & when I remember things.

Misc bits & pieces

A few times I’d totally confuse myself, trying to find (say) the birth record of my Gran (Dorothy Verna Terry) only to realize I was looking at the ‘wrong’ darn film reel! lol

Oh, I forget which day it was (either day 2 or 3) I asked if the had any ‘Aden’ records (part of the British India empire) As one of my Gran’s Uncles (Donald Terry) was born in Aden. The guy on the reference desk got them ordered up, he also said the records were quite fragile. When the records come, I was a bit scared to even touch them, I was like “got any white gloves” they just laughed a bit. I didn’t really look at them all that well. ….. Was scared in touching them, they were so fragile!

One of the records I’d hastily scrambled to gather together (staying up quite late on the 3rd night) was on my Parrott line.

Was the term “Private Out Pensioner Chelsea Hospital”

Robert Parrott Birth 10 Aug 1848

While it was pretty easy to read, I just didn’t understand what it meant. The ‘poor’ guy (reference desk) was trying to help me. I just didn’t know HOW explain what I wanted. But I get it now. (feel quite stupid now though!)

Chelsea Hospital term

Why didn’t I look on google months/years ago when I first encountered the term? lol

British Library 1st Visit (day 4)

Hello there,

The final day & checking out of the YHA

Got up (later than usual), had a wash, got my stuff together, as I was leaving the room, I stopped cos I realized I was about leave my phone behind. YIKES!!!

Went for breakfast (croissants, fruit juice & water), as I was finishing breakfast the woman I had been nattering with the night before came in, we said hi to each other. She came over & we sat together & nattered a bit.

She was trying to decide “holiday” plans, I was suggesting things, trying to be helpful (well at least I hope I was being helpful to her). We finished breakfast, went ‘downstairs’ (Reception/Bar area) continued nattering a bit, I gave her my email & then parted ways. She went back up to the dorm to pack her stuff and checked out and off to the library.

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Since I had now ALL my stuff, I wondered if the library had “bigger” lockers (the locker area is on Lower ground) I ask at the cloakroom bit, but there weren’t any “bigger” lockers. I said “Oh I’ll work something out” & just used 2 of the usual ones.

It was pretty much a “lazy” BSO hunting day

Throughout the day I browsed
– Find my past (FMP), mainly Hart & Vida/da Vida
– Birth & Baptism Indexes (Merriman, Whitnall, Peplow)

Found a couple of new records to get (so did a little “happy dance” lol)

Had a wonder round the room browsing the shelves, pulling folders & books out to look though.

A group of folders I looked though were “The Biographical Files”. I looked for any family related names – Terry, Parrott, Todd, Vida/da Vida, Mason, Souza/D’Sousa/De’Sousa/Desousa, Knox (any info linking “Major” Knox to Souza/D’Sousa/De’Sousa/Desousa),

Asked at the reference desk regard a few Military Regiments – 3rd & 14th Light Dragoons also the 8th Light Cavalry. I got a few pictures of the info

I called it a day about about 4pm, was ‘crashing’ quite a bit this time.

That’s all for now, so till next time, stay tuned for some more Ancestry Adventures!

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BSO – Bright shiny object

British Library 1st Visit (day 3)

Hello there,

Today consisted of – Get up, have a wash, go for breakfast, go to the Library.

I was pretty much “scatter gun” hunting, though trying to be more focused. Was again feeling quite frustrated & very useless. (Feeling very useless is daft I know!)

Flicked though some of the
– Birth & Baptism indexes
– Marriage indexes
– Civil Service books
– Army Indexes
– Browsed on find my past (FMP) a bit throughout the day

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I’d finished having breakfast & went to put my stuff on the “tray rack” trolley, I pulled it out a little to pick up a napkin I noticed under it. (I noticed the napkin while having my breakfast) I turn round & the woman (one of the people in my dorm) was quite surprised, she was like “Oh, do you work here (the YHA hostel)” I laughed, shock my head “No, was just picking up a dropped napkin” I though it was quite funny.

The evening was quite cool too, was in the dorm room, sorting my stuff out another woman came in we kind of chatted/nattered a bit. She commented that she was a bit bored. I replied “got any reading material” ….. “Nah, didn’t think to bring anything” …. I said something like “You into family history?” & went to get some of my magazines.

So got nattering a bit about family history, she asked me something like “Where there any interesting things I’d discovered” … I didn’t really have an answer to that, I just said “Its ALL interesting”

She went off to explore, I carried on trying work out what to do regard the following day. I could either check out & come home or check out & go to the library. I really didn’t know what to do! .. . *cry*

That’s all for now, so till next time, stay tuned for some more Ancestry Adventures!

British Library 1st Visit (day 2)

Hello there,

Got up about 8am ish, had a wash, got stuff sorted out, went for breakfast, (croissants, fruit juice & water). Then to over to the Library.

Went to “Manuscripts” (2nd floor) had a another brief look though the manuscripts I was looking at the day before. Handed those back in & ordered some others which included Pedigree charts.

Went upstairs (Asian & African Studies) while I waited. Got the rest of the docs I wanted & did some more ‘British India’ browse hunting.

Checked the progress of my requested Merriman Manuscripts. went down to have a look though them & the Pedigree charts. Did that for maybe an hour then gave up!

Was hard to think things out ‘on the spot’ regard what I wanted to get out of George Merriman’s Manuscripts.

I had initially thought I’d come away with photocopies or even pictures of at least some the Manuscripts.* I also thought the manuscripts would help in my own Merriman line, but there didn’t seem to be any obvious link/s.

* Though, I recall there MIGHT be the option of getting photocopies, scans (or something like that) I didn’t ‘push’ the maybe getting photocopies (or whatever)

So I just went back to my “British India” hunting, though was all a bit “OH BSO” & going off in all different directions. Also I was getting, (I’d say) more that a bit frustrated at times in the hunting & not having much success. lol

I asked regard newspapers, (The Civil & Military Gazette, in particular) cos I wanted to get a “better” copy of the Obit I (& others in the family) had.

Obituary of Dona Eliza Rita

But the Library didn’t have anything in the time frame I was interested in (I didn’t think to take a picture or note regard the findings) So that was really interesting. Where did the Obit come from? How did the ‘original’ family member get a copy?

By end of day 2 I was starting to really struggle, madly scrambling for things to hunt, but ‘mad scrambling’ I had to do! I still had another 2 nights at the YHA …. aghh!

That’s all for now, so till next time, stay tuned for some more Ancestry Adventures!

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BSO – Bright shiny object

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